08 Sep Retainer vs. Retired
Military retirement pay differs from civilian retirement pay systems in that there’s no vesting, no matching funds, no interest, and no special retirement accounts. Military retirees abide by a code of laws particular to them called the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), which enables them to be court-martialed for misbehavior during their retirement. A military retiree is subject to be obligatorily returned to active duty for reasons deemed appropriate by the military.
Understanding Retainer versus Retired
The number of years before a military retiree is eligible to retire is contingent upon the branch of military they served under. The Army, Air Force, and Coast Guard require 20 years of military service. After receiving retirement orders the member is considered a retired member.
The Navy and Marine Corps vary from the Army, Air Force, and Coast Guard, as a member is considered retired for allocation purposes if they are an enlisted member accruing more than 30 years of service, a warrant, or a commissioned officer with 20 or more years of military service.
Those in the Navy and Marine Corps unable to meet the 30 years of service requirement but have accrued more than 20 years are transferred to the Fleet Reserve/Fleet Marine Corps Reserve, and their pay is considered retainer pay.
Retired pay and retainer pay are considered the same by the law as the amount of retainer pay and retired pay an individual receives are unvarying.
Recall to active duty
The term “retainer” is used by the military when referring to some retirees is to distinguish the individual to Congress and the public and differentiate the military retirement system. Military members or retired personnel can be recalled to serve active duty if needed. Military officials distinguish military retirement/retainer pay as “reduced pay for reduced services” for this reason.
Individual in better health are more apt to be recalled to active duty than those who are older, in poor health, or have a disability.
Three categories utilized by the Department of Defense (DOD) Directive 1352.1 separate veterans, with those most likely to be recalled under Category I. These categories are:
- Category I: Nondisabled military retirees under the age of 60 who have been retired less than five years. This category is disposed to be recalled during times of war, national emergency, or “needs of the service”.
- Category II: Nondisabled military retirees under the age of 60 who have been retired five years or more.
- Category III: Military retirees age 60 or older and those retired for disability.
Though it does not occur often, military retirees of all ages can be recalled to active duty to face court-martial charges. Generally, the civilian justice system processes military retirees acting with misconduct.
Retirement versus discharge
Those who qualify for retirement by honorably serving at least 20 years of military service qualify for retirement pay whereas those that are discharged short of 20 years do not. There is no vesting with the military retirement program as with civilian retirement programs.
This applies to all members of the military with the exception of those offered early retirement programs during the 1980’s and 1990’s drafted to lessen the size of the armed forces.
A service member’s discharge characterization must be honorable in order for them to receive retirement pay.
Garratt
Posted at 07:20h, 19 JulyAll it takes is the stroke of a pen from Congress to reverse that and ever fool whoever served can be called up. If you don’t think a retired or disabled person cannot sit behind a desk with enough medication perform reasonable duties aboard a ship or as a barracks monkey then one is sadly mistaken. Better yet why not just send them in on the first wave with ground pounders. Old men can’t run and they have to stay and fight. Navy and Marine Corps personnel are generally all hands on deck.. You can’t go anywhere in a sea battle so you’re stand and fight to live. I am sure this is crossed the mind of every politician who ever sat up in Washington during a time of prewar. Why the heck would want to send their own sons into battle. I myself could preform the exact same duties I had 3O years ago. I worked desk maintence management control job and still could with all the meds I take now. I could still man l the 50 cap outside my shop better than some sorry overweight Squids i see today. I have a 70 plus year old neighbor that served in Vietnam and he’s in better shape than most of the little suckers coming in today Looking back to the past and all the illegal drugs that passed through the system during Vietnam, Cold War, Desert Storm,and foward and. I would rather have a retired or disabled guy that knows this salt shoved on me by an act of Congress rather than some Senators or 5th generation Hudparents fat RPG gameplaying Grand Kid that’s been getting toasted on reefer before going out on the flight deck.
Matthew Rajkovich
Posted at 16:47h, 07 AugustThis article is not completely accurate. In 2020, the US Distirct Court in DC deter.mined that what DoD likes to call “retainer pay” isn’t really retainer pay. Additionally, the court decision further defined the limits of applicabilty on the notion of “good order and discipline” tin how it actually applies to retired personnel.
See opinion by Judge Richard J. Leon on 11/20/2020. In this case, LARRABEE v. BRAITHWAITE, the plaintiff sued SecNav (et al) for attempting to claim UCMJ jurisdiction over him for a crime he committed shortly after retirement. The court ruled in his favor. The government is currently appealing this decision.
Sean P
Posted at 13:58h, 22 OctoberWhy did they pick two guys who clearly haven’t passed a PT test in decades as the photo to accompany the article?
David L Brucher
Posted at 00:13h, 04 AprilWhere is the information on what grade you might be called up in??
I served 8 years enlisted, 10 years as RA Warrant, then 3 as O-3. Retired 1994 on the (O-4) list.
Working since then, in my medical specialty, for another 26 years may qualify me for a bump in grade.
To ask me to give up retired pay and return at the previous grade seems a bit one sided.
Am I being unreasonable here?
Michael C.
Posted at 15:23h, 23 MarchHere is a question I have. If a person is recalled to active duty for court martial and then found not guilty, is there retired pay recalculated for the active duty service they performed while under investigation and trial?
Tommy Harris
Posted at 13:45h, 26 FebruaryA local political candidate says he is a retired AF Officer. He also says he served ten years. When questioned, he said that military officers who serve ten years are considered retired and subject to recall. Ten years? Never heard of anybody calling themselves retired after ten years service unless it was some kind of medical retirement. Is that true??
Dr. M. Shaheed Aadam
Posted at 08:05h, 30 JanuaryWell if this is the case, can a person be advanced in retirement? Since we are under a lifetime of service to Uncle Sam?
George
Posted at 21:03h, 29 MarchThat’s BS. He ain’t retired.
Ed
Posted at 14:11h, 06 DecemberDo you become ineligible for recall after 30 years?
Kevin Brown
Posted at 00:27h, 26 NovemberSFC Kevin M. Brown retired 30 Nov 2008 recalled 20 Jan 2010 to be court/ martialed and convicted for allegations of sexual assault on my step daughter. I looked at the judge Kavanahh case and it was the same only difference I didn’t have the support or a good lawyer. I lost my retirement and still even after they denied all appeals seeking help finding regulation as to who has authority to recall a retiree to active duty not the assistant of army can someone help contact me anytime I was dragged over the coals thanks to what Obama said zero tolerance courtmartialed and dishonorable discharge period.
Michael A Blackburn
Posted at 00:49h, 10 NovemberYou’re not too bright huh? So, you’re saying you spent 20 in the Air Force and had no idea about the UCMJ as it applies? I want to think that your just being silly instead of stupid.
Will B
Posted at 23:34h, 28 OctoberYes, if you retired from the Regular component of a military service, you are bound by the provisions of Article 2(4) of the UCMJ for the rest of your life. Several US Supreme Court decisions have affirmed this in recent years, and it has periodically been affirmed by courts since at least the 1880’s…
This is one of the conditions of receipt of retired pay you agreed to upon requesting retirement in lieu of discharge, as retirees maintain military status under the law forever.
If you do not wish to be so bound, you may petition your Service to be fully discharged from all military status and obligations; for the most part, this would mean only that your retired pay would probably stop increasing each year with the annual COLAs, as “former members” are not entitled to the benefits of increased retired pay (which is lawfully considered at least partially as compensation for continued readiness), since they are no longer part of the military.
In theory, as a retired NCO, if you violated the UCMJ and met all the elements of a punitive Article of the UCMJ…yes, you could be charged. Does this happen in the real world? Not very often at all…and usually only for egregious offenses like rape, murder, larceny of massive sums of money (or equipment), etc.
If you deliberately and knowingly disrespected an officer in a bar, and that officer (or another servicemember who witnessed it) charged you with the violation of the UCMJ, would the local JAGs be likely to “take the case” and run you to ground and pull you back onto active duty to stand court-martial? No. Way too much work. What if you went to the location of the Chief of Staff, USAF, and struck him in public? Well, now you’ve done a heinous thing in public that can’t be swept under the rug, and something would have to be done…
Height and weight regs typically don’t apply, by their very nature, to retirees. Nor things like requirements to meet medical readiness, annual dental exams, etc.
Steve S.
Posted at 16:10h, 14 AugustWait, what??? Are you telling me that I have to abide by all provisions of the UCMJ even though I retired from US Air Force active duty more than 20 years ago? Does this mean that as a retired NCO, I could be charged with disrespect toward an officer (UCMJ article 89) because I fail to salute an active duty commissioned officer or mouth off to one in a bar?? What if I fail to maintain weight and fitness standards (articles 92, 98)? Wow. I don’t remember signing on to a lifetime of military regulation.